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Tehrin |
Racism in the Music Industry. | ||
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Reddking:How are you? In answer to your question,Im a musician,and an educator.
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Unregistered(d) |
Racism | ||
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Tehrin-- You never gave an answer to the quest of how you liked the UK and did you meet tour friend Dan
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Tehrin |
Racism in the Music Industry. | ||
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BYSTANDER:I'm sorry about that. The U.K. was a blast! We went to Dublin,and Galway in Ireland,first,then we proceeded to London. I didn't get to see Dan,but I'm quite sure we'll hook up at some point.Thank you for asking,though.
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reddking |
Re: Racism | ||
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I'm doing just great! I wanted to say hello simply because I enjoy your post, the wisdom that comes with your post. The kind spirit attached to them as well. I generally lurk in these types of situations. But lately...I've been adding my two+ cents worth. What instrument do you play and how long have you been an educator? There's a strong history of educators in my family...I broke the mold when I elected to go into the medical field first and then music. My pianist is a professor at U of Penn. He's actually got a book coming out the end of the year.
Jut got done a gigx2. I'm zonked. By the way was the article that I read published? May I send it to other singers that I know? |
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Tehrin |
Racism in the Music Industry. | ||
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These are my own thoughts,based on my experiences,and history.You certainly may use them...please,by all means!
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Tehrin |
Racism in the Music Industry. | ||
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I'm a Bassist.
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Hey Tehrin!! | ||
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Were you in the road production of 'Mama I want to sing' a couple of years back?
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Tehrin |
Racism in the Music Industry. | ||
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No. I was the bassist for that show,16 years ago,and I had that chair for 2 years(1986-198
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Elanab |
Producer where are you? | ||
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Hi Producer, I'm a New Yorker too. And a woman of well...mixed linage and views. Don't have much time for the racism stuff. Lived in Boston Ma. for 6 years, know what it's like. And I agree with you..the rest of the country need to catch up in more ways than one. The point is here in New York we are all in the mix and are all challenged to reach our goals to the point where racism takes a backseat to the determination to succeed. One learns to develop a thick skin to issues like "whether this or that is racist". Because sometimes, it simply is not. Sometimes it business, even if it isn't always "fair". Sure it's in the music business as with any where else.(I'm in the industry too). But if you have any talent, drive and determination, you have to get out there and hustle to suceed like the rest of us and do the best you can. Who else, but New Yorkers could have cleaned up ground zero in less than a year? Sure it hurts. But we haven't got time for the pain. We had to step up to pace and get back in the mix!
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lioneljazzfan |
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I agree with most of the postings stating how much black artists have to fight to get the same level of recognition their whites counterparts enjoy.
At the same time, I think audiences need to be more alert to what's going on because the industry is only going to work the easiest bets. I saw Dee Dee Bridgewater last night in Montreal with her Kurt Weill program. The show and her performance were incredible (as we could guess from the recent CD release) and though she is a major name here because of her many participations to the Montreal jazz festival over the years (which helped her tremendously to get exposure in North America when she decided to resume her work on this side of the ocean), she could not sell out a 1200 seat theater. A few weeks ago, Diana Krall sold out the Bell amphitheater with over 9000 people in attendance. Dee Dee's concert was extremely well publicized with major coverage and publicity in both English and French papers. So where were the missing 300 people to fill the hall? I think the industry is to blame, but a lack of interest-curiosity and risk taking from the public should be blamed as well. By the way, though I am not a fan, putting someone down is of no help. Diana Krall 'CD is certified double gold in France (over 200,000 copies) and she is the only jazz singer who sold out the huge Palais des Congres (3700 seats) on two subsequent nights after selling out the Olympa theater 6 nights. Not bad for someone who 'does not make a strong impression' in France! As for the person who mentions Dee Dee and Abbey Lincoln being stuck on French Verve, some truth must be brought to the matter. Dee Dee has always made it perfectly clear that she has decided to be on the French Verve because she has total freedom over what she is doing, something the US company won't give its artists. Dee Dee is signed as a producer, not as an artist and delivers them whatever 'product' she decides to, something she has often said her US Verve labelmates can only dream of... She runs her own production company and is sole responsible for her artistic ventures. For Max: Gabrielle Goodman (an extraordinary singer) is a teacher in Boston. So sad she has no record out. I too have enjoyed so much her 2 CD's (Her' Funny Valentine' is one of the best recorded versions...) Take care |
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MAD MAX | ||
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ONE TIME I HAD THAT FEELING AT MY FIRST JAZZ FESTIVAL WAY, WAY IN THE PAST, BUT EACH ONE I CAME OUT WITH KNOWING THAT JAZZ HAS MADE THE SOUND OF UNITY IN THE FOLK'S WHO CAME. YOU SEE, JAZZ HAS BECOME THE WORLD'S LEADER IN UNITY. NOW I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I HAVE BEEN TO MANY JAZZ FESTIVAL'S AND CLUB'S IN CANADA, THE USA AND MEXICO, AND THE GOOD THING IS EVERY WHERE I GO I CAN FEEL AT HOME BECAUSE THERE IS JAZZ. BORN IN AMERICA; JAZZ! MAX THINK ABOUT MONGO SANTAMARIA, AND OTHER'S FROM AROUND THE WORLD WHO LOVE THIS SOUND IN THEIR LIVE'S, DON'T TRY AND TAKE IT AWAY. SEPARATION BREED'S HATE, AND HATE BREED'S MORE SEPARATION. HOLLA / J. MALCOLM
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Unregistered(d) |
Racism In Jazz | ||
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Here's the deal, if I like Diana Krall or Jane Monheit, which I do, does that mean that I am being disloyal to all the other great black jazz singers and musicians, living or dead? I personally have never missed a Diana Krall concert whenever she is performing in and around the tri-state (New York) area. I have always felt that I have gotten my money's worth, and more, because she plays with such feeling and soul and she sings like an angel. She always hires the best musicians so that her concerts are totally awesome and enjoyable on all levels. People hug and kiss at her concerts, she brings such joy! I have also seen Monheit in concert and I enjoy her also. And I grew up with musician parents with a full knowledge of the jazz greats, black and white, far too many to cite here. And I have a very clear understanding of what my parents and those earlier jazz artists went through, the back doors, the racism, etc. But I also wonder how Krall and Monheit must feel, listening to and reading and hearing and having to digest all of this horrible criticism directed towards them because they happened to come into this world with white skin and are easy on the eyes. Has this to some people become their biggest crime, being white, beautiful, talented and successful? They can have all the so-called marketing and so-called privileges in the world, but the deal is that Diana gets on a plane one day and she is in Texas and the next day, she may be in New York. And at each place she goes, she has to please thousands of people, whether or not she is jet lagged, has a headache, has a broken heart, is on her period, whatever. And the same for Monheit and for any other working musician today. These two women have paid their dues like the rest of the working musicians out there today. I happen to love looking at Diana Krall because she is easy on the eyes, but if she did not move me with her funky piano, her excellent choice of back-up musicians and her sultry singing, I would never attend her concerts or buy her cd's or go to record signings where she is the featured artist. And incidentally, I have met her in person and you will not ever meet a nicer person. Fans of Diana Krall or Monheit, or any other white artist should not have to feel that we have to choose between them and black musicians and artists. Can't I love Diana and Jane and also love Billie, Ella, Sarah, Miles and Nancy Wilson also?
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daddymack20774 |
Racism in today's Music | ||
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Yes you can love Diana Krall and Miles.I want to thank you for your post because I agree with you.Good music is good music.I'm a big Krall and Monheidt fan.I go to see them wherever they are appearing in my area.Diana Krall doesnt have the "best"voice and she will say that.But to me its her delivery ,musicianship and the way she interprets a lyric that touches me and has me begging for more.Her concerts are extremely entertaining.
Monheidt is a baby but has one of the most naturally beautiful voices I've ever heard. But I also worship the music of Ella,Jimmy Scott,Johnny Hartman,Miles,Bird etc. Sure there is racism in the marketing of music .You cant deny that .But dont ever feel you have to justify why you like who you like. |
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Racism in today's Music | ||
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WOW, you guys really cover a topic! I ended up here because I bought Jane Monheit's debut CD a long time ago and was listenting to it in the office. I wondered if she had some new stuff out there and found her page. Reading a tiny slice of all you've written, I know I've got a bonanza list of little-known or under-publicised talent to shop. What you write, especially listing artists' names with recordings I can pursue, is valuable stuff. It's too bad the thread title is what it is, but I don't argue it. I just know that jazz is one environment where a lot of americans could learn something about the centuries-long struggle to get us OUT of racism. I grew up racist with big city violence in a small southern Illinois town. Serving 20 years in uniform, especially being a 19-yr old sailor in a big city, was the single greatest experience for me. It turned things around for me, culturally, before they were too late. My best friend, from the toughest of Chicago's neighborhoods, taught me that even a skinny white kid could feel at home in all night jazz clubs. On the publicity issue, I found out about Jane Monheit on public radio and pursued her CD. I would do exactly the same thing with any young black talent I hear about and like the sound of. But you guys have saved me a lot of time--I now have a list!
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Unregistered(d) |
Racism In The Music Business? | ||
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If this meand those involved in actually MAKING the music it doesn't exist and World Governments could learn a lot from this.
But if it means the Corporates who are more interested in making money then I suppose it does |
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Racism in Jazz | ||
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Indeed, there is racism in jazz and the music world because there is racism everywhere. But to use this to try and denigrate these two talents, Krall and Monheit, is wrong. These women work very hard at their craft, just as all other working musicians do, and I believe on her last tour, Krall toured around 300 days. Certainly that makes her one of the hardest working musicians in the business, and I for one say that she deserves all the applause and the accolades she gets. She is, in my opinion, most deserving of all the success has achieved. I have also met her personally and since she meets a whole lot of fans, she will never remember me but I will always remember her class, her style, her grace and her genuine kindness to all of us that day.
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To Max | ||
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Hey Max,
After reading a few of your posts, I felt compelled to say something. I feel like the things you said about discrimination if you take the "black" out are talking about me. I am not black, I have been singing for over 20 years. I keep on keeping on. I have witnessed firsthand being bypassed by big name labels, big name clubs, big name everything. As a person who has been "out there"performing for a long time, I feel angry at this, too. I truly agree that 23 year old embryo's in skirts have no clues about paying dues, or what it's like to hone your craft with the seasoning only life's experience's can season- but I am white. I don't attach this rejection to race- it happens to everybody. Norah Jones got 8 grammy's at 23. 23! I don't think Beethoven would have got that many. And for what? I hear her music, and I am not flabbergasted by it- Diana Krall, ho hum. I get so mad beyond words when someone will compare me to her-only because I am an attractive blonde jazz vocalist, I have done things the hard way- I've earned everything- even my obscurity. I sound like me. So all though I do agree that the music industry sucks, I can't go for the rascist thing, sorry. Pamela MacCarthy P.S. I love Carmen Bradford, I used to call up and request to hear her on WBGO when I lived in NY. |
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Unregistered(d) |
RE: RACISM IN JAZZ | ||
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My dear Mela, you could do a lot worse than being compared to the one, the only, the hottest jazz artist in the world today, Diana Krall.
LMFAO! |
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iaccompany |
Not really... | ||
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Actually, not much worse. I heard some samples of Pamela's vocals.... and they're rich, and have more depth, and heart and soul than Diana's ever could. She's basically a pianist that sings, and I'd be insulted too.
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Re: Diana Krall | ||
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Diana Krall has more soul in her little finger than some so-called jazz artists have in their whole bodies. Boy, the jealousy of some people!
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